Daniel Negreanu is a big believer in trickle-down economics. Selfish pros have been complaining about the cancellation of player rewards, rake increases, and many other unpopular changes since Amaya acquired Pokerstars. They just don't understand the complex nuances like Daniel does.
Doug explores this issue with an open mind, trying to understand where Daniel is coming from when he insists that nickeling and diming players is great for the poker ecosystem. But the quest to eradicate pros is in direct contradiction to the amateur's dream of some day climbing up the ladder.
Many low stakes players imagine themselves sitting shoulder to shoulder with the legends of the game on the set of High Stakes Poker or in the World Series of Poker Main Event, maybe even the Big One for One Drop, staring down Phil Ivey, Dan Colman, Tom Dwan, and Phil Hellmuth. But with increasingly unbeatable games, that dream is dying.
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that's called false logic and Daniel should be smart enough to defeat his own statement before saying it. I have a feeling he said it in his head once and thought it was profound and decided to say it out loud and once he did he held onto it instead of saying " ok once I said it out loud it actually sounds stupid". Daniel is just a man, and a man will say dumb things just like the rest of us do throughout life! The difference is people pay attention to what he says more than the rest of us REG's !
Daniel Negreanu just basically said its a healthy ecosystem to lose the middle class of poker.... WTF Daniel? Im no political science major, but most countries are built on the strength of the middle class. And any system like societies or poker for this matter will not be a strong ecosystem when the middle is wiped out and all you have is the top tear, the best of the best, and the bottom tear, the worst of the worst. Poker will come to a standstill or a new site will emerge and take over from the greed of PokerStars. Obviously, PokerStars needs to take a step back and not tax players to keep up with their lifestyle. They need to cut back on their expenses, and the bottom line for investors profits. Players will just go elsewhere if your rake is to high. I know i am, Its not difficult. Your an online site. We all just download the next best thing and boycott you. It isnt like we all have to drive 375 miles to the next casino. Its fairly easy to do and people love to cut down a giant who becomes a villian at any chance they get. Dont turn us into haters PokerStars, you are certainly becoming deserving of most recently.
Of course online poker is rigged, has been for a long time. You'll win and lose, but the site gets the money in the end. Like a river into the ocean. I don't know how many huge hands I can flop and lose to not think or know it's rigged. It's up to them if I win or lose. Probably based on how much a person gains experience using their site, or how many deposits made, you invest you could win, but fuck online poker, I'll stick with home games
Doug, is there any poker site that I, as a Floridian, can play at for real money? I started , like everyone else before Black Friday on Poker Stars and Full Tilt, I was lucky that I got paid 100% of the bank I had on Full Tilt. After that, I started playing on a Merge skin called Felt Stars, I played there and had no problem got paid when I withdrew and all was good until I logged on one day and they were gone and my bankroll had been transferred to another Merge skin called Carbon Poker. I had no problem with Carbon Poker for several years then I guess they sold the site and everything went to shit. Still I played even through one year that withdrawals were taking 3 to 4 months as that did not last and they seemed to get back on track. However, then all the player perks other than reload bonuses were taken away, and those reload bonuses are only to keep losing players. I got disgusted with a sudden change in play mostly on cash tables but also very noticeable in SnG's and Tournaments that was so blatant whether it was site bots or just players with master accounts so they could see all the players cards and the coming deck, that after all those years I requested a final withdrawal and quit the site. I went looking on the internet to see if I could find any sites recommended first stop Cardschat where I found their number one pick for straight play, honest bonus structures, it was called Ignition Casino,,, Well DO NOT BELIEVE CARDSCHAT!!!! If Carbon Poker was the worst then Ignition Casino found a way to tunnel beneath them. They reneged on the 100% match of your first deposit (up to $100.00) then in an opposite of what was reported on Cardschat they required all the playback be in the casino . So as an older American who does not have a bankroll are there ANY sites you can point me to where I can play NL Texas Holdem while living in Florida?? I have watched so many hours of your vlogs and posts, and play I feel like I know you although you obviously have no clue who I am (Although we did meet once In Hollywood, FL at the Seminole Hard Rock, (I still haven't washed the hand that shook yours LOL) Thanks and may Jebus fetch your slippers!
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Doug, I am bali and i am an Artist from Bombay. Telling lies to people about firstly the online sitres are safe and top of that calling them ......you know what you said to those people who believed in the system of how rigged it is. I request you to have one time out ans open chat with me in front of all and if I am wrong ...I never will play music again. But your arrogance is something I wish somebody would stand up and say how pathetic you are in your thoughts face to face. I know time will be a problem. But try. You are doing wrong
Pretty obvious, with small margins, and the rare big pay off, the higher the rake, the less money you make overall. Simple math. Casinos and poker sites just want to keep more of the money, and they never assume risk at all. Hell of a racket.
And seriously, a gambling company engaging in activity of questionable ethics? Why act surprised by this? They can polish a turd all they want, it still stinks. And legally, shareholders are priority one, if the board does not act on that, they can go to jail.
The generation of so-called men from which this dude represents is the most whining, feminine, metrosexual, sellout b@$#%es I have ever had the misfortune of encountering. No one wins at poker over the long haul. That's why their statistics don't incorporate buy-ins into the winnings.
Come on, if a pro cant profit in a high rake ecosystem how can a learning player. I cant believe DN can shill such bullshit. I'd call him a dumbass, but he cant really believe it. I'd prefer to loose to a better player with a chance of winning one day than be in a loosing system forever. How about the rake in smaller games that pro's dont play in, has that increased??
pros or no pros there will always be players at the table that are slightly better or that are playing slightly better, more rake equals less money and it affects everyone, it just isnt better for the game its only better for the site itself and thats all i got to say about that jennaye
i'm a fan of you and Daniels. I do have to laugh at the youtube warriors talking like their in a position to degrade a professional poker player while they sit at $2.95 in their poker account lol.. Always liked and respected Negreanu and his play but lets be honest everyone knows Daniel is a little bit off his rocker just by his political views and the fact he loves Hilary... That speaks volumes..lolGreat video Doug. Still waiting on that email bro for you to stake me in a big event. I'll chop my winnings with you :) #Justlookingtostartabankrollandcareerinpokerlol
daniel nagreuau is a fucking fish and terrible at poker...hes been living off pokerstars sponsorship money..of course he will say more rake bc he gets money commision from poker stars. that midget fake hair sell out fuck.
good video vanessa thanks for speaking what a lot of us feel....im not much of a negs fan anymore...5-10 years ago i was but now he seems like a grumpy old man and players like you, fedor, and dan coleman are actually better than him...although i think coleman is a real piece of shit personality wise but thats a different story i guess
Daniel gives so little shit about the players he can't even be bothered to get out of bed to talk about it, somehow stars is still the biggest site surely someone take advantage of the situation and create the new home of poker
I always go to DN (high school drop outs) stars shills for economic explanations.
You know what would be better for the game?
If poker stars would just keep all monies won by players in tournaments!
The less money you have the better it is for the game!
The Casino nearest Negreanu's home has a great craps game I love. Players don't just lose on a 7,
they lose on all the odd numbers. It's fantastic fun. You should try it! The Bacarrat games have a commission for BOTH Banker AND Player! I think it's the best Bacarrat innovation I've ever seen!
So, what Daniel is saying, is that by paying more rake, it keeps the pros aka "better" players away, thus giving the 98% of poker peasants a "chance" to win, because if players like Daniel play, they *never* lose.
I've always liked Daniel from what I've seen of him on tv, he's very smart, down to earth, and seems like a genuinely overall good guy. But his "logic" makes as much sense as us giving a retarded billionaire thee most important job in the free world.
higher rake means more action, less small ball poker, and more entertaining poker, less skill based ROI.
it's understandable why u would not like it, as u are a pro. It's understandable why most people that would look at this video are unhappy with this, they are aspiring pros or trying to improve their game thru videos to be above the recreational players skill level.
Rofl pro poker players all think they are so good at the game. Online is so rigged even at low stakes. I almost guarantee that the sites have algorithms to make fishy players lose even more than they normally would. This delusional way of looking at things that I would expect from someone who rigs a site like this. "they are gonna lose anyways so lets just make them lose more". I am not a winning player, but I have noticed REALLY fishy stuff on the sites. I also notice that these things happen alot less to the poster image players that are winning players. I watch people who stream and they win alot more and dont even play that good.... Its just that they promote the site and get rewarded with favored long term profits in poker.
I won't lie I would say same crap if I was in his shoes. But omg what a shitty lie. Pokerstars needs Will Kossuf that guy could lie better ,I'm going to make a video game where your Kossuf trying to talk down suicide jumpers. "your not gunna Jump,too long. Want a 50-50 phone a friend? (hand motions to jump) 9-8 like a boss
From one perspective, if huge rake chases out all the pros the game would be really soft. But if the games were soft enough to beat then more rake wouldn't even chase the pros off. So more rake isn't better. It's never better.
I agree with you Doug! Love your input, keep up the good work. It's a shame that one of the main faces of poker is trying to bluff the world when we know your full of shit, Negreanu. What sites would you recommend that has the smallest rake, better bonuses, etc.?? Maybe a video on the best online sites in the future.
I actually think Negreanu is on to something. Make the GPI top 500 players pay a higher rake! That WILL entice the amateurs to play more. Having more amateurs play might in turn, entice the top players to pay the higher rake! Somewhat similar to the handicapping concept in Golf!
I am a rec player, who will be paying more rake now, so they can give me more rake back, so I can pay more rake, on the rake back when I play, with rake back. no wonder D'neg is confused. Good thing Doug is here to make it str8.
LOL - funniest vid yet, Doug! I have liked D Neg for a long time (since at least 2005) because he had a sense of humor and was just always kind of entertaining to watch - as a poker player. NOW - he tends to bullshit too much and say stupid things that aren't really funny and mislead people. And he's way annoying driving around in his Tesla. If I had to choose between your vids or his vids - I would go with Doug Polk. Doug gets that we poker players like to be analytical sometimes and we also like entertaining and funny content, but what we don't like is to be told that the piss is actually rain and that we should be happy we don't have an umbrella. Dan - sorry, but there's a new kid in town. #danielnegreanu #poker