Some of the world's greatest players convene in Australia to play in a ridiculous tournament. The buy-in is a quarter million dollars! Mike McDonald, Scott Seiver, Phil Ivey, and Doug Polk battle it out for millions of dollars on this final table. In this particular hand, a surprise raise on the river puts Ivey to an extremely difficult decision. Can he make the hero call?
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ok.. so does a 650K bet get Ivey off the hand ?? or is that a "bluff" amount he see's thru ??? he agonized, literally made a pained call... so if you DID raise it up...... think he folds ?? or reinforces his thoughts you have Air... and are going to get Whamboozeled...?
In all seriousness, What’s it like to play with Ivey, Antonius Hellmuth or Negraneu? I’m genuinely curious. Who’s your favorite to play with? I couldn’t imagine running a bluff against any of those guys lol aside from Helmuth to enjoy the dramatic theatrics that would ensue lol
I think this is just too small. I get that it screams value, but it's so small that a guy like Ivey will feel obligated to call with any hand he was betting for value himself, even if he hates it. All that you get to fold are the bluffs, the things that ace high already beats. Plus, it's hard to understand the story we're telling with the action up until then. Most draws or made hands would have done something before now surely.
I mentioned this before... you were recommended on magic the gathering channel I watch frequently (I play magic, not poker so much, only occasional).
i like your break downs so I subbed because it's something new.
anyway, keep up the good work.
but god damn polk pulled another polk move......uploading a vid where he almost got a guy to fold.......great bluff polk he not only tank but actually called you......yep instead having videos that shows you're great you upload one where you almost made him fold. thats the best vid you got....sad.
First of all Doug you have a great channel props bro. I think this is the first hand that I don't really like your play. I understand the importance of blockers but is a 4 really a good card to bluff with here? Would you not be cbetting 54s on the flop the majority of the time? You're not really credibly repping a straight or overpairs when you check back flop. So what is Ivey putting you on here? 2x or air?
It's all good fighting, but here you are representing exactly ONE HAND, namely rivered house with 66, anything else makes so little sense, because of the board and the way the hand was played (for example, I "kinda" suspect you almost never check back and open-ender here, with that flop, so you basically never have 45. You're giving him 3:1 on a call, you only have 3 reasonable combos that beat him so, while evidently a very good call, I don't see it at all as extremely hard or God-like. Or maybe Ivey thinks you have a bad habit of checking back flopped sets TB on dry raggedy flops :)
I've been watching some of your videos lately and I definitely enjoy them.
When I started watching this one I said to myself "Well, clearly Ivey is going to fold, since it is fairly unlikely that anyone would post a video where their play fails". Well played, sir. Well played.
A key aspect of Ivey's tough river decisions seem to be based on subtle angling. The movement of the cards from left hand to right hand mimicking a folding action, the counting of chips and bouncing them fairly firmly on the felt to mimic the sound of a call - all designed to elicit reaction from the opponent. This is an edge that very few players successfully exploit and is perhaps one of the key reasons why Ivey is one of the most successful players of all time.
Love the subtle read-farming Phil does around 5:20. Reaches for calling chips with his right hand, looks at Doug, then moves his cards sideways with his left hand as if he's folding. Anybody else notice this in real-time?
Second video of yours that I've watched where you lost. I appreciate these posts, not because they show humility (who needs that in poker, eh? :) ), but because the analysis is still good. Players will definitely lose a lot, but as long as the analysis is sound, one can hope to win more in the long run. There are "good" losses, where it just didn't go your way that particular time, and there are losses just from plain terrible play, filled with wishful thinking.
Hmm, what does it matter what hand you bluff? Your goal is the other guy fold, is it not? I guess it does not happens very often both guys are bluffing.... then you would be better of with some high card.
This play doesn't seem to make that much sense to me? Can someone help me understand? What is Doug repping? I understand he has a good blocker to run this bluff, but wouldn't he bet atleast the turn if he had some sort of value, unless he specifically has pocket 6s or 45 and rivers the straight? Kinda seems like he's just check raising hoping for a fold. Thanks in advance, love the videos Doug.
Another bluff I don't like. The line a player takes in hands says a lot about what they are holding. What hands are Doug raising pre and then checking the flop? I'm assuming he's betting 9's thru 4's, Q's, J's. He'd probably check A's and K's, along with any set. He's probably checking all ace highs thrus whatever highs. His turn call says even more about his hand. Now he definitely either has a draw (flush or straight), possibly a pair lower than 10's, and albeit very unlikely a full house or quads. His raise on the river defines his hand. Extremely unlikely = full house or better, A little more likely = A2, K2, Q2, 45 Most likely = busted straight, busted flush. I don't ever see him taking this line with A10-J10, J's or better. So for Ivey, does Polk have a 2, a straight, or a boat? Probably not. Good call, he deciphered it.
It's 380k to win 1.5 mil. Ivey only has to be right 20% of the time to make the call, since its not for his tournament life. Considering Doug checked flop, and only flatted the turn, the river bluff is extremely polarized. It's really only either a rivered 6's full, slow played set on the flop, or complete air. Every once in a while its a big overpair trying to induce. Doug did say its hard to call a bluff that looks extremely transparent as a bluff, but at the end of the day, the line is weak, and Ivey was getting 4:1 odds on the river. What happened here is that Doug leveled himself, and convinced himself that his line was ok from Ivey's facial expressions. I don't think Ivey's ever folding to such a fishy line given the great odds on the call.
Doug, I really respect the fact that you posted a hand that you lost. It shows humility and self-confidence, and you clearly want to maximize the learning opportunities rather than how it makes you look.
I've seen 2 hands play against you by Ivey and Antonius. Absolutely agree with the sense of the play and your raise on the river putting much pressure on these Poker Stars in agony to call because of your bet size amount. However, seems to always call you.
Is that a table image thing or just that they know how you play? For example, I have seen perhaps similar situation where they face call raises with other star pros and they tend to fold, allowed to be bluffed.
Or is it just a top pair facing Check Call rose situation?
would it be a big mistake to fold turn? Would you really check back 45 on the flop? To me it seems you're only repping T6s or 66 and a very small amount of 33, 22, or 45 on that river. Raise is better than call, hard to fold after the turn call. Maybe I get run over on turns folding there though. That's why I like flop bet. Maybe I underestimate how many raises you face on flop. I feel like most of the good Tx's would 3bet pre and then you're mostly getting raised by 22, 33 and 45 which you block.
btw your title is a spoiler! how about agonizes over this river spot.